tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4879615387850345622.post4114000689604426038..comments2023-07-17T23:10:02.228+10:00Comments on Discombobula: Heart VisionsSuehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01122659239039900398noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4879615387850345622.post-72027775332475868582008-07-30T05:14:00.000+10:002008-07-30T05:14:00.000+10:00Sounds like you got some great things to think abo...Sounds like you got some great things to think about...wow. How cool.<br><br>I have disassociated myself from this kind of stuff because of abuses I saw, but then it can be so encouraging and helpful that I hate to discount it entirely. I hope these words are able to help you grow.Erinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01067954787472463337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4879615387850345622.post-19136599592136676512008-07-30T05:39:00.000+10:002008-07-30T05:39:00.000+10:00Erin, I know what you are talking about. Gosh, pe...Erin, I know what you are talking about. Gosh, personally I wasn't even willing to see or receive or hear anything anymore for years and years because of how I was taught to do it through divination. In this season of my life, I am having to relearn what was good and is scares me to death because I am afraid of picking the evil back up.<br><br>It's real, but there is SO MUCH false and abuse too. It's a scary thing to walk the line!Tyler Dawnhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17021870354703680808noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4879615387850345622.post-44109072469028716332008-07-30T11:40:00.000+10:002008-07-30T11:40:00.000+10:00Yeah Tyler, I'm tracking with you on that...an...Yeah Tyler, I'm tracking with you on that...and I try really hard not to let my residual cynicism impact the good it can be for other people. But then here I am, letting my residual cynicism impact Sue's experiences. I hope she forgives me. ;-)Erinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01067954787472463337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4879615387850345622.post-12777643897587191352008-07-30T12:07:00.000+10:002008-07-30T12:07:00.000+10:00My own residual cynicism impacts my own experience...My own residual cynicism impacts my own experiences Erin so I don't mind a bit of your's coming along for the ride :) I'm tracking with both of you.<br><br>Actually, that was partly the reason I posted this, because I have discarded it all for years and years because of the SHIT that goes on around all of this stuff, and the powerplays and all that crap. <br><br>But still, God still speaks through all the fakery. It feels like s/he has for me in this situation definitely.Suehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01122659239039900398noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4879615387850345622.post-50526888121749735962008-07-30T12:09:00.000+10:002008-07-30T12:09:00.000+10:00PS: Tyler, that must be rather difficult going ba...PS: Tyler, that must be rather difficult going back in again. I'd love to hear more of your thoughts about all of this if youre willing to share on your blogSuehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01122659239039900398noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4879615387850345622.post-31856560026544964612008-07-30T12:17:00.002+10:002008-07-30T12:17:00.002+10:00Sorry, this is all quite foreign to me. Any "...Sorry, this is all quite foreign to me. Any "visions" I may have had were much simpler and dealt only with my own issues and what God had to say about them. This is not to say there is nothing good in all this, but I don't have a clue.<br>As for that devil, I suppose there could be some personalized force of evil. I prefer to remind myself that God and I are stronger.Barbarahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17078914306329037697noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4879615387850345622.post-63980485549432985752008-07-30T12:17:00.001+10:002008-07-30T12:17:00.001+10:00Sorry, this is all quite foreign to me. Any "...Sorry, this is all quite foreign to me. Any "visions" I may have had were much simpler and dealt only with my own issues and what God had to say about them. This is not to say there is nothing good in all this, but I don't have a clue.<br>As for that devil, I suppose there could be some personalized force of evil. I prefer to remind myself that God and I are stronger.Barbarahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17078914306329037697noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4879615387850345622.post-81287056616267165722008-07-30T12:39:00.000+10:002008-07-30T12:39:00.000+10:00Hmm... I understand. Visions can be tricky things....Hmm... I understand. Visions can be tricky things. Like Kim said, this is not 'thus saith the Lord,' but I think that a key may lie in not seeking them. Getting them while praying for someone is not the same as seeking them. I think Tyler has mentioned in the comments on her blog that we can be taught that visions are so important and to seek them to the point that we open ourselves up to deception. <br><br>IMO, these are not that. I know that I don't really know any of you and vice versus, but I agree with these visions in regards to what's going on with you right now, Sue. For what that's worth. ;-) <br><br>The imagery He used for me was one where my heart was like a rich fertile field that was full of rocks - some showing, some buried. The past year and a half has been about letting Him (important, that - letting <i> Him</i>) dig the rocks out of my heart. Some of them have required breaking before they can be got out. Ouch! <br><br>I am asking Papa to help you see what you need to see and understand what you need to understand to get out into that wide open space of freedom and peace He is leading you to. :DKatherine Gunnhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06574051760314762024noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4879615387850345622.post-70480146093576029092008-07-30T13:22:00.000+10:002008-07-30T13:22:00.000+10:00Katherine, you are right. I was taught to seek th...Katherine, you are right. I was taught to seek them, to force my way into the presence of God (sound like spiritual rape, anyone?)and what I got was sometimes from Him and sometimes not, and I'm still not sure which was which. Now I am unable to really seek them, it just happens (and rarely when I want it to). It's all rather humbling, not being able to force His hand, whereas before I was very proud of the fact that I could go get what I wanted. I am actually pretty ashamed of it now :(. It was pretty bad. And I am scared of becoming what I was again.Tyler Dawnhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17021870354703680808noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4879615387850345622.post-6351496841777214372008-07-30T14:32:00.000+10:002008-07-30T14:32:00.000+10:00Tyler~You know a little more than you did then. :-...Tyler~<br><br>You know a little more than you did then. :-)<br>I think the key is not seeking.<br><br>In the church I came out of, one of the things I was in charge of was transcribing all the 'prophecies' and 'messages' that 'came forth' during services (we recorded the services). Just covering a 2 year period, they filled a 3 ring binder. This church (Papa showed me this after I got out) worships the prophecies - believes that if you are prophesied over, it doesn't matter what you do, it will come to pass. They pursue the prophecies - both getting them and trying to make them happen. ICK!!<br><br>After I left, I still had my copy of the binder. It was a long time before I could even think about looking at it. Eventually, He wanted me to - just long enough to recognize that a lot of them were not from Him - mostly from the pastor's own manipulations (WHOLE other story!). But Papa also said that <i> some </i> of them were Him. <br><br>I know what you mean about pushing to try and 'see.' Dangerous, as you already know and... sigh. Well...<br><br>I don't think you will become what you were before - you already are not who you were before. You know you weak areas (and <i> that </i> is a much bigger advantage than people give credit). <br><br>Hmm... learning to trust Him in that area, too. It is not easy - I still get scared - afraid I'll just be telling someone what they want to hear or what <i><b> I </b></i> think. But the ones that have come unsolicited while praying - those are the ones that have been the most powerful, unlikely, stuff-I-never-would-have-thought-of things. Even then, test all things and hold to what is good. He doesn't get mad if we test what we hear. It is what He wants us to do. ;-)<br><br>Wow, I rambled on a bit...Katherine Gunnhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06574051760314762024noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4879615387850345622.post-4916470848721843522008-07-30T15:49:00.000+10:002008-07-30T15:49:00.000+10:00Tyler - Rape is a good word. Who are we to say whe...Tyler - Rape is a good word. Who are we to say when God will speak? Yet we do...I think that's much of why I'm so fearful of my charismatic roots.<br><br>Katherine - You wrote it all down? Hell, I carried a hand held tape recorder around, so we wouldn't lose a word and could relive it again and again. I did learn that the weirder it was the more likely it was God, because I couldn't make this shit up. Pardon my french.Erinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01067954787472463337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4879615387850345622.post-6747145105903164292008-07-30T15:53:00.000+10:002008-07-30T15:53:00.000+10:00I guess what it all comes down to is humility, isn...I guess what it all comes down to is humility, isn't it? And a relying on God instead of on our power and desire for status and stuff. Tyler, I'm with Katherine. You are not the same person you were.<br><br>But that concern you have is one we all share at all times - or at least it should be. Keeps us humble.<br><br>And yet at the same time there does seem to be room for us to make mistakes. so often I say things to people with the thought that God is speaking through me somehow, and yet who knows, really? Some of those things hit the mark, some of them don't. We have room to make mistakes.<br><br>Interesting insights :)Suehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01122659239039900398noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4879615387850345622.post-15084850743196739722008-07-30T15:56:00.000+10:002008-07-30T15:56:00.000+10:00Wow, talk about control. But even more than that ...Wow, talk about control. But even more than that - lack of faith in god. All of that carrying around tape recorders and stuff - it reminds me of the way I used to feel about God, back in the first decade, when I still had so many questions about whether he really was actually a bastard. And the trying to stopper him up in a bottle.<br><br>So even when God doesn't speak - that also is a grace :)Suehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01122659239039900398noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4879615387850345622.post-67002887724917168892008-07-30T16:29:00.000+10:002008-07-30T16:29:00.000+10:00Erin~Wow. Yeah - I remember what it was like. Didn...Erin~<br><br>Wow. Yeah - I remember what it was like. Didn't want to 'miss' a thing. We kept a digital recording of everything (part of my job) and then the pastor wanted them all transcribed so he could 'keep them in front of his eyes.'<br><br>I'll tell you, if you read some of them, they would make you sick. When I finally went back and read a few of them, I was shocked at what I sensed. Hesitated to say it. Asked God - didn't want to say something was evil if it was from Him. He assured me that I was 'sensing' right. They were not him. They were sick and manipulative and some of them were used to manipulate specific individuals to do things just for the pastor's pleasure... Grrr!!!<br><br>Okay, yeah. Not a pretty memory. I have needed (and still need) His help to not want to just chuck the whole business and say it is all bogus. But I know, deep in my being, that it is <i> not </i> all bogus. But it is also okay for me to shelf it until some serious healing takes place. ;-)Katherine Gunnhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06574051760314762024noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4879615387850345622.post-75429906637124172832008-07-30T17:52:00.000+10:002008-07-30T17:52:00.000+10:00if my 4 cents means anything, i think that just be...if my 4 cents means anything, i think that just because people fake god speaking, we shouldn't be unwilling to believe that he has said something. especially if she <em>did</em> say it. in this forum, and the sharing of the words that you did, in the way you did, i found myself thinking early on that the sponge in the vision represented your empathic capabilities. so i found it confirming that it was mentioned later to be thought to be that as well. <br><br>that is why it is a good thing and is being attacked. i concur with the word spoken here one hundred percent and believe it to be truly motivated by holy spirit.<br><br>consider your empathy as a new superpower that you're just learning you possess. you haven't mastered it yet. i'll ask god to show you some care and maintenance, and ask for a clear mind to receive instructions.<br><br>tear off the band-aids so that the living water can cleanse your wounds at their source.jONhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16955771465084412855noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4879615387850345622.post-28717774763648428702008-07-30T21:21:00.000+10:002008-07-30T21:21:00.000+10:00That's valid Katherine, I shelved it for years...That's valid Katherine, I shelved it for years. One day I prayed, "Take it all away, the good and the bad and give me back the good when I have learned to love people enough that I can be trusted with this because it is too destructive in my hands right now!"Tyler Dawnhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17021870354703680808noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4879615387850345622.post-4053668369744036792008-07-30T21:34:00.000+10:002008-07-30T21:34:00.000+10:00I agree with Jon, empathy is an incredible gift on...I agree with Jon, empathy is an incredible gift one that leads into both compassion, and then as it grows, mercy, we put far too much emphasis on the flashy ones. I wish everyone around me had the gift of empathy.<br><br>The scriptures say "do not despise prophecy" but in this era of the church I think it would more likely say, "do not despise mercy!"<br><br>Mercy, in my book, is the one gift I would have around me, at my disposal, more than any other. People around me on a regular basis need lots of it ;)Tyler Dawnhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17021870354703680808noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4879615387850345622.post-75955576042826308122008-07-31T13:54:00.000+10:002008-07-31T13:54:00.000+10:00Ooh, thanks Jon and Tyler. Something in your word...Ooh, thanks Jon and Tyler. Something in your words sparked something in me which needs some inspection. Ta very much! :DSuehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01122659239039900398noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4879615387850345622.post-23707445117600530122008-08-03T15:09:00.000+10:002008-08-03T15:09:00.000+10:00Sue, I know that this is off-topic of the previous...Sue, I know that this is off-topic of the previous 18 comments here, but I just want to thank you for sharing the visions that your friends had. I thought that they were very powerful and beautiful.Tinahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13628661599790735499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4879615387850345622.post-74470281016437673202008-08-03T15:12:00.000+10:002008-08-03T15:12:00.000+10:00Thanks for saying that, Tina. I still feel rather...Thanks for saying that, Tina. I still feel rather ambivalent about having them here - it feels a bit vulnerablefying or a bit boastful or something. I dunno. So thanks :)Suehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01122659239039900398noreply@blogger.com